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Kellie M. Parker's avatar

This has to be the most real post on trad publishing I've ever read. *laugh-crying* Hybrid is sounding pretty good right about now lol.

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Diana Urban's avatar

I mean, I’m about ready to clasp hands and leap from this speeding train before it plummets from its broken tracks down a cliff if you are!!

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Elaine O'Neill's avatar

As a former commissioning editor, I LOVE that you wrote all this out. So many in the industry just assume authors will know how it all works. I found the opposite. Expectations rarely meet reality.

One other note that I find most authors don’t realise… the advance is an advance… you won’t get further pay out until you sell beyond that advance (aka pay it back) and given how low a percentage authors get from the actual sale price, that can take time.

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Diana Urban's avatar

Yes exactly! It can take years to get royalties... or it might never even happen at all.

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Millie Abecassis's avatar

I felt this in my bones.

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Diana Urban's avatar

😭🫂

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Ingrid Wagner Walsh's avatar

I was telling my sister in law about much of this crazy process the other day. She started with, “are you serious? I thought you just wrote it, and went to a publisher and paid them to print and sell copies for you. Whoa.”

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Andrea Bartz's avatar

Oooof yes, these resonate. Our industry is so bananas. And the people want a Part 2!

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Diana Urban's avatar

🫡💜

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BLWrites's avatar

My questions: how is it legal to make writers work for less than minimum wage, or for no money at all? And, why not self-publish instead since there’s no actual benefit to traditional publishing?

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Diana Urban's avatar

Since authors are contractors, not employees of the publishing companies, there's no minimum wage they need to adhere to.

As for your second question... I'll be honest, I ask myself this on a daily basis. When I was first starting out—and was on sub four times with three different agents over five years—I exclusively wrote YA, and since most teens *still* read physical copies over other book formats, I wanted to hold out for a traditional deal because getting distribution to brick-and-mortar stores seemed imperative. Now that I'm writing adult, where more readers read ebooks and audio? And now that I've seen a traditional deal doesn't guarantee distribution? I'm not so sure anymore. I love having a professional editor and having someone else handle all the book production aspects, but frankly, I'm running out of reasons not to go hybrid.

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BLWrites's avatar

Appreciate the honest response! I always enjoy getting your newsletter. 💜

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Diana Urban's avatar

Thanks so much!! 🥹

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Elise Primavera's avatar

Thank you for this realistic assessment of the book publishing business - like they say about Broadway: you can’t make a living, but you can make a killing.

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R. A. Dines's avatar

😭😭😭 why do we choose the toughest profession?

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Diana Urban's avatar

My theory is it’s because we don’t know how to exist without writing! 😭

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R. A. Dines's avatar

Truth

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L.G. O'Connor's avatar

Diana, It’s so refreshing to see the reality of publishing in your post. Especially after spending over a decade in the industry and sometimes questioning my sanity. Would love to see a Part 2.

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Diana Urban's avatar

Thanks so much for reading, and yep, that's EXACTLY why I wanted to post this! Publishing has so often made me feel like I'm losing my mind. I'm glad to provide the sanity check. 💜

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Dr Vicki Connop's avatar

Utterly depressing and fascinating.... reading this just as I'm finalising my first book proposal 😏

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Jacqui Gatehouse's avatar

Definitely yes please for part 2. Your honesty and transparency is so appreciated.

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Erin C. Niumata's avatar

All so true! Love this!!

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AmeliaLeeSheldon's avatar

Having been an acquiring editor and now an agent, I know these truths. Thank you for sharing them widely! 📚✨🙏🏼

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Diana Urban's avatar

Thank you for commenting and confirming from your side of the desk! 🫶

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Chris Kauzlarich's avatar

Knowing this is so discouraging as someone trying to get an agent, but I can’t imagine doing anything else—writing is life! Le sigh

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Lindsey Weidenbach's avatar

None of it makes any god damned sense and yet…here we are 🤣

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Diana Urban's avatar

AND YET HERE WE ARE. I judge myself fiercely on a daily basis, honestly. 🤣💀

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Cathy Ryan's avatar

Diana, thank you. This explains the reality in a wonderful way. Nope, none of this is 'normal.'

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Diana Urban's avatar

Thanks for commenting, Cathy! I'm glad you enjoyed the post! 🥰

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